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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by mammabird</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mammabird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not talking about usurping the supreme power of backend developers (they are seriously web gods and goddesses). I&#039;m talking about understanding it. Having realistic expectations of the web and what it can do seriously helps when you need to collaborate with the epic lords of backend codeville. I don&#039;t want to know everything just so I can know everything. I want to know a variety of things so when I&#039;m working on a project I know what options I have, and be able to effectively converse with the people who are the experts. We can discuss this further on our next google hangout, I have some real-life examples I can tell you about if you&#039;re still fuzzy about what I&#039;m trying to say.

I wish I had cake in math class, that would have been a total game changer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about usurping the supreme power of backend developers (they are seriously web gods and goddesses). I&#8217;m talking about understanding it. Having realistic expectations of the web and what it can do seriously helps when you need to collaborate with the epic lords of backend codeville. I don&#8217;t want to know everything just so I can know everything. I want to know a variety of things so when I&#8217;m working on a project I know what options I have, and be able to effectively converse with the people who are the experts. We can discuss this further on our next google hangout, I have some real-life examples I can tell you about if you&#8217;re still fuzzy about what I&#8217;m trying to say.</p>
<p>I wish I had cake in math class, that would have been a total game changer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by Ellyn</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5727</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brendan, show your intern this. I enjoyed this as an introduction to html and css by Jessica Hische and Russ Maschemeyer.

http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/

Plus on their Links webpage, they have wonderful resources. Hope it helps, it did for me!
Ellyn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan, show your intern this. I enjoyed this as an introduction to html and css by Jessica Hische and Russ Maschemeyer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/</a></p>
<p>Plus on their Links webpage, they have wonderful resources. Hope it helps, it did for me!<br />
Ellyn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by Ellyn</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) Sooo you want to be an expert in graphic design?

a) Glad you say so. Sad possibility is that people may be offended if you try to cross your job description into their territory. Like when some marketing people think they can design better than someone who actually earned a degree in graphic design. Or someone who studied business and declare they can design well because they took one or two design courses but didn&#039;t major or minor in it. People are just doomed. You&#039;re damned if you only stick to exactly what your job description says and you&#039;re damned if you step out of bounds into someone else&#039;s job responsibilities and duties.

b) It would be cool to create a game.

c) I&#039;m sure universities and colleges offer motion graphics courses, but for graphic design majors I&#039;m sure it would be offered as an optional course, not mandatory.

d) For some reason I can&#039;t store into long-term memory the difference between ROM and RAM.

e) I never took Calculus, I learned about cake in my university math class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Sooo you want to be an expert in graphic design?</p>
<p>a) Glad you say so. Sad possibility is that people may be offended if you try to cross your job description into their territory. Like when some marketing people think they can design better than someone who actually earned a degree in graphic design. Or someone who studied business and declare they can design well because they took one or two design courses but didn&#8217;t major or minor in it. People are just doomed. You&#8217;re damned if you only stick to exactly what your job description says and you&#8217;re damned if you step out of bounds into someone else&#8217;s job responsibilities and duties.</p>
<p>b) It would be cool to create a game.</p>
<p>c) I&#8217;m sure universities and colleges offer motion graphics courses, but for graphic design majors I&#8217;m sure it would be offered as an optional course, not mandatory.</p>
<p>d) For some reason I can&#8217;t store into long-term memory the difference between ROM and RAM.</p>
<p>e) I never took Calculus, I learned about cake in my university math class.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by mammabird</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mammabird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy smokes Ms. Miller! Bahaha. 

Learning things is not the same as being an expert. I want to know how things work. That doesn&#039;t mean I will then do all the things I&#039;ve learned on a regular basis. Learning is for discovery. I can learn about something, and if it doesn&#039;t tug at my heartguts I can still retain that information, and move on to learning something else. I want to be better at what I have to offer as a creative person. Will I be able to do everything? Most likely no. I only have two hands, one brain, 24 hours in the day and have a knack for procrastination and watching Netflix. But will I be able to understand projects on multiple levels and collaborate across departments? Most likely yes.

a) Absolutely. More understanding across party lines leads to better communication and a better product in the end. Some of the smartest developers (and people) I know have also dabbled in certain areas of print, or started off on the complete other end of the design/creative spectrum. 

b) If it&#039;s something you&#039;re passionate about, sure! Technically, if you were to build a basic &quot;choose your own adventure game&quot; it would be a creative warm up to the &quot;if ___ then ___&quot; coding language that a lot of today&#039;s web development relies on.

c) Again, absolutely. If some university were to create the perfect curriculum for a modern graphic designer, it should be included. 

d) Having married a nerd and constantly surrounded by other nerds (I use the term as an endearment to all the insanely smart people in my life), I can&#039;t imagine not being tech savy. Having a basic knowledge also helps when it comes time to figure out web hosting.

As for all the other topics you&#039;ve mentioned, you&#039;re talking to a girl who spent her youth playing Encarta 96&#039;s Mindmaze (google it). I&#039;m not kidding. I am a curious person, and I will always want to learn. Will I want to sit through learning Calculus? No, because I&#039;m not passionate about numbers. But I know it&#039;s a valuable skill set and know what to look for if I ever need a human that is passionate about them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy smokes Ms. Miller! Bahaha. </p>
<p>Learning things is not the same as being an expert. I want to know how things work. That doesn&#8217;t mean I will then do all the things I&#8217;ve learned on a regular basis. Learning is for discovery. I can learn about something, and if it doesn&#8217;t tug at my heartguts I can still retain that information, and move on to learning something else. I want to be better at what I have to offer as a creative person. Will I be able to do everything? Most likely no. I only have two hands, one brain, 24 hours in the day and have a knack for procrastination and watching Netflix. But will I be able to understand projects on multiple levels and collaborate across departments? Most likely yes.</p>
<p>a) Absolutely. More understanding across party lines leads to better communication and a better product in the end. Some of the smartest developers (and people) I know have also dabbled in certain areas of print, or started off on the complete other end of the design/creative spectrum. </p>
<p>b) If it&#8217;s something you&#8217;re passionate about, sure! Technically, if you were to build a basic &#8220;choose your own adventure game&#8221; it would be a creative warm up to the &#8220;if ___ then ___&#8221; coding language that a lot of today&#8217;s web development relies on.</p>
<p>c) Again, absolutely. If some university were to create the perfect curriculum for a modern graphic designer, it should be included. </p>
<p>d) Having married a nerd and constantly surrounded by other nerds (I use the term as an endearment to all the insanely smart people in my life), I can&#8217;t imagine not being tech savy. Having a basic knowledge also helps when it comes time to figure out web hosting.</p>
<p>As for all the other topics you&#8217;ve mentioned, you&#8217;re talking to a girl who spent her youth playing Encarta 96&#8242;s Mindmaze (google it). I&#8217;m not kidding. I am a curious person, and I will always want to learn. Will I want to sit through learning Calculus? No, because I&#8217;m not passionate about numbers. But I know it&#8217;s a valuable skill set and know what to look for if I ever need a human that is passionate about them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by mammabird</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5724</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mammabird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, a lot of 4 year programs are just now integrating web into their curriculum. 2 year programs seem to be better at including it, but also have their own set of pros and cons. So lots of 4 year design &amp; marketing grads have to rely on teaching themselves or if they get lucky, working for a studio/employer that is willing to invest in their learning. 

I used Lynda tutorials to get my feet wet, and while Dreamweaver isn&#039;t perfect, it helped me understand the basics in an Adobe environment I was comfortable in for the time being. Having been an intern here and there, having someone breakdown the elements of a website, and explaining wire-framing was really helpful to me and my design process.

There are content management systems for every shade of the web, and finding the one that works best for the design project is the way to go. Wordpress might be just fine 89% of the time, but it&#039;s nice to know what the more powerful systems have to offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, a lot of 4 year programs are just now integrating web into their curriculum. 2 year programs seem to be better at including it, but also have their own set of pros and cons. So lots of 4 year design &#038; marketing grads have to rely on teaching themselves or if they get lucky, working for a studio/employer that is willing to invest in their learning. </p>
<p>I used Lynda tutorials to get my feet wet, and while Dreamweaver isn&#8217;t perfect, it helped me understand the basics in an Adobe environment I was comfortable in for the time being. Having been an intern here and there, having someone breakdown the elements of a website, and explaining wire-framing was really helpful to me and my design process.</p>
<p>There are content management systems for every shade of the web, and finding the one that works best for the design project is the way to go. WordPress might be just fine 89% of the time, but it&#8217;s nice to know what the more powerful systems have to offer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by Ellyn</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your post is interesting--the good kind of interesting, not just saying it to be polite. I&#039;ve never heard of Adobe Muse, but based on your description I&#039;m glad for my lack of awareness. Regarding your thoughts of print designers should learn about html and css coding, I agree, I think print designers should learn the new languages. 
1) To what end would you feel satisfied to learn different subjects/programs as a print designer? Examples Q&#039;s below...
A) If you say print designers should learn coding for the web, should web designers, front-end and back-end developers learn about print design?
B) What about learning how to code for software and video games?
C) Shouldn&#039;t designers learn about motion graphics too?
D) Why stop there? Shouldn&#039;t designers learn about computers and their hardware to know how it works?
E) Since we&#039;re adding computers and hardware to mix might as well throw in physics, architecture, algorithms, the golden ratio which applies math and nature, geology, biology, microbiology, chemistry, history, philosophy, psychology, etc. Not really a question, but at what point, will you as an individual print designer be satisfied of learning?

Deep I know. I felt like I was on a roll for ranting. Feel free to not respond, just throwing some thoughts out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is interesting&#8211;the good kind of interesting, not just saying it to be polite. I&#8217;ve never heard of Adobe Muse, but based on your description I&#8217;m glad for my lack of awareness. Regarding your thoughts of print designers should learn about html and css coding, I agree, I think print designers should learn the new languages.<br />
1) To what end would you feel satisfied to learn different subjects/programs as a print designer? Examples Q&#8217;s below&#8230;<br />
A) If you say print designers should learn coding for the web, should web designers, front-end and back-end developers learn about print design?<br />
B) What about learning how to code for software and video games?<br />
C) Shouldn&#8217;t designers learn about motion graphics too?<br />
D) Why stop there? Shouldn&#8217;t designers learn about computers and their hardware to know how it works?<br />
E) Since we&#8217;re adding computers and hardware to mix might as well throw in physics, architecture, algorithms, the golden ratio which applies math and nature, geology, biology, microbiology, chemistry, history, philosophy, psychology, etc. Not really a question, but at what point, will you as an individual print designer be satisfied of learning?</p>
<p>Deep I know. I felt like I was on a roll for ranting. Feel free to not respond, just throwing some thoughts out there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beloved Monsters by Brendan</title>
		<link>http://katiebluebird.com/blog/2013/02/27/beloved-monsters/#comment-5718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brendan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldnt agree more. 

I was just talking to a few people the other day - my intern is having some trouble designing for web, I even told her to look at and copy examples from around the web - maybe copy me the examples of which she is emulating, and she didnt know what I mean. And she&#039;s an exceptional designer.

Just goes to show how schools aren&#039;t really living up to what you&#039;re paying them. I think that most designers should be subscribed to techcrunch and fromupnorth and a few other sites so they stay &quot;in the loop&quot; and constantly try and emulate what they see.

Relying on Muse (or even DreamWeaver) is a huge hinderance at the moment, in my opinion. Give me WordPress any day. I&#039;ve never even used Drupal. I tried Squarespace for a few months, but to be honest WordPress has a community like no other and documentation for their plugins out the wazoo. I have a hard time taking web-designers seriously who don&#039;t use a CMS like WordPress]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldnt agree more. </p>
<p>I was just talking to a few people the other day &#8211; my intern is having some trouble designing for web, I even told her to look at and copy examples from around the web &#8211; maybe copy me the examples of which she is emulating, and she didnt know what I mean. And she&#8217;s an exceptional designer.</p>
<p>Just goes to show how schools aren&#8217;t really living up to what you&#8217;re paying them. I think that most designers should be subscribed to techcrunch and fromupnorth and a few other sites so they stay &#8220;in the loop&#8221; and constantly try and emulate what they see.</p>
<p>Relying on Muse (or even DreamWeaver) is a huge hinderance at the moment, in my opinion. Give me WordPress any day. I&#8217;ve never even used Drupal. I tried Squarespace for a few months, but to be honest WordPress has a community like no other and documentation for their plugins out the wazoo. I have a hard time taking web-designers seriously who don&#8217;t use a CMS like WordPress</p>
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